I would love to see such a site! The learning curve for many OR Mappers is large and much of the good content dispersed all over the web. A consolidated site would be wonderful.
Would be interesting to read.
More importantly, as the market matures, OR/M products will create niches for themselves, i.e. site with a particular data usage pattern will benefit from one mature product (not a vast range of immature, mediocre, handle-all-situations products). Horses for courses, really.
Would be interesting to read target application profile (from a data access standpoint) along with OR/M product reviews.
Sounds interesting - go for it! Would you include the use of tools such as CodeSmith and LLBLGen under this umbrella?
G'day,
Any community in principle is a good idea, since it allows people in the know to communicate with the rest of us punters in the field.
Only thing that appears to me somewhat strange - why would you want to limit audience to OR Mapping? Would it not be more beneficial to target wider audience - am not sure about the concise name, but related to database programming, connectivity, business components writing techniques as a whole? It surely sounds huge, but as a start it may concentrate on OR mappings.
Yours truly,
this is a good idea. But what i want to know more si how does this site protect the copyright of the articles?
i think if it sovlves this problem, then there would be much more people writing for the site and much more people coming to review, then it could be successful.
by the way, your blog is so great. i will come all the time.
2006.6.23 16:28
this is a good idea. But what i want to know more si how does this site protect the copyright of the articles?
i think if it sovlves this problem, then there would be much more people writing for the site and much more people coming to review, then it could be successful.
by the way, your blog is so great. i will come all the time.
2006.6.23 16:28
Will: Yes - it would include stuff like product reviews such as LLBLGen as well. I hadn't thought about CodeSmith for that, but it's an interesting idea. In fact, id' be happy if someone from the community posted their thoughts on CodeSmith on that site when it opens.
Such a web site is definitely a cool idea!
While I am not doing any ORM myself, this technology is quite trendy nowadays, and as far as I know, there's no "one-stop shop" community site. So go ahead and pioneer the creation of one!
P.S. RSS feeds are a must ;-)
Scott: The site will either have full articls published by their own writers, or simply link to the full articles on the actual original sites. If a someone repubilshes their own writing on that site , they are essentially agreeing to republish their own material. They can also simply write a short intro to that article on the site, and it can also simply be added as a resource link.
Wow, What a good initiative… Definitely, talking about ORM is pretty motivating. But I feel we should talk about general ORM as well as products reviews. Anyway, I am very passionate to do what I can with this site. Go ahead…
Wow, What a good initiative… Definitely, talking about ORM is pretty motivating. But I feel we should talk about general ORM as well as products reviews. Anyway, I am very passionate to do what I can with this site. Go ahead…
I think it's great idea. It would be great to be able to read about OR stuff in one place. I may even contribute.
I'd love to see some kind of central ORM community site.
Last year, I went through the laborious process of actually evaluating ORM tools for work - by the time I finished, I had considered well over 100 different .NET ORM products; more than 60 of them were downloaded; more than 30 had code written to try them out. Phew!
A community based site with reviews would have saved me a LOT of time.
Moreover, I can think of few things I might just write about. A decade ago I worked with a proprietary (in-house) ORM that was, simply, superb. I haven't seen it's match yet. It'd be fun to write up some of it's innovations and see what people think in the modern context.
Keep Smiling!
I am 100% behind you. I've been wanting to write about NHibernate again, so I'd be happy to cross-post some info from my blog.
Yes! We're currently reviewing one of our applications that needs a major rewrite. It uses a proprietary db format and one thing we're considering is an OODB. An OR site would definately help.
Just do it ;-)
No really, I would be happy to write an article about our new NHibernate Templates for GenWise Studio that are in an informative way, kinda like the product tutorials on the codeproject.
Besides that...ORM seems to be in-vogue these days, there almost more .net ORM frameworks than there are .net programmers ;-) Although there only a few that make the more experienced developers happy. Reviews written by people that know what they are talking about are most welcome to let people know that 90% of the ORM frameworks are just not mature enough...but that's my humble opinion ;-)
I'm a .NET developer interested in ORM, but I think the area is on it's way out thanks to Redmond- and hopefully sooner than later. LINQ, DLINQ, and DSLs will do a good bit towards that end. Granted it could all be another ObjectSpaces, but I really don't see us writing alot of database-to-classes code in VS.next.
So, not really saying 'no'- I'd like to see the site. But I'd also like to see it not needed in the future. =)
I'd love to see such a site. We are just beginning a major new initiative for which we have chosen nHibernate. A single place for ORMapping info in general would be a godsend. I'd be happy to writeup anything we learn on effectively using nHibernate.
Jay Vashi
jay.vashi AT mustangeng.com
Daniel: Interesting point.
I'll make it clearer: The site will focus both on the theoretical aspects of what it means to use or create an OR Mapper, and also on product reviews of mappers from any technology (.NET or Java are my main thoughts right now).
Also, Just because MS will have some form of an ORM integrated some day in its tools does not mean that you woudn't wont to know about 3rd party replacements which may be much better, or how to effectively deal with that ORM framework, or just hear the latest news about that framework from one particular main portal...
I can also think of various adaptations of that MS ORM framework with better features, built on existing features. woudn't you want to knwo about them as well?
Roy.
You're probably right, Roy. Articles about MS-ORM-INQ (whatever they end up calling it =) would be useful, as would info on the various possible 3rd party extensions, etc.
I may be idealistic here, but I guess I just see the day coming where developers care less their objects are stored, in the same way we care less about how they're transmitted over a wire, thanks to Web Services and WCF. But maybe that's a post for your new site =)