I would love to see such a site! The learning curve for
many OR Mappers is large and much of the good content
dispersed all over the web. A consolidated site would be
wonderful.
Would be interesting to read.
More importantly, as the market matures, OR/M products
will create niches for themselves, i.e. site with a
particular data usage pattern will benefit from one
mature product (not a vast range of immature, mediocre,
handle-all-situations products). Horses for courses,
really.
Would be interesting to read target application profile
(from a data access standpoint) along with OR/M product
reviews.
Sounds interesting - go for it! Would you include the
use of tools such as CodeSmith and LLBLGen under this
umbrella?
G'day,
Any community in principle is a good idea, since it
allows people in the know to communicate with the rest
of us punters in the field.
Only thing that appears to me somewhat strange - why
would you want to limit audience to OR Mapping? Would it
not be more beneficial to target wider audience - am not
sure about the concise name, but related to database
programming, connectivity, business components writing
techniques as a whole? It surely sounds huge, but as a
start it may concentrate on OR mappings.
Yours truly,
this is a good idea. But what i want to know more si how
does this site protect the copyright of the articles?
i think if it sovlves this problem, then there would be
much more people writing for the site and much more
people coming to review, then it could be successful.
by the way, your blog is so great. i will come all the
time.
2006.6.23 16:28
this is a good idea. But what i want to know more si how
does this site protect the copyright of the articles?
i think if it sovlves this problem, then there would be
much more people writing for the site and much more
people coming to review, then it could be successful.
by the way, your blog is so great. i will come all the
time.
2006.6.23 16:28
Will: Yes - it would include stuff like product reviews
such as LLBLGen as well. I hadn't thought about
CodeSmith for that, but it's an interesting idea. In
fact, id' be happy if someone from the community posted
their thoughts on CodeSmith on that site when it opens.
Such a web site is definitely a cool idea!
While I am not doing any ORM myself, this technology is
quite trendy nowadays, and as far as I know, there's no
"one-stop shop" community site. So go ahead and pioneer
the creation of one!
P.S. RSS feeds are a must ;-)
Scott: The site will either have full articls published
by their own writers, or simply link to the full
articles on the actual original sites. If a someone
repubilshes their own writing on that site , they are
essentially agreeing to republish their own material.
They can also simply write a short intro to that article
on the site, and it can also simply be added as a
resource link.
Wow, What a good initiative… Definitely, talking about
ORM is pretty motivating. But I feel we should talk
about general ORM as well as products reviews. Anyway, I
am very passionate to do what I can with this site. Go
ahead…
Wow, What a good initiative… Definitely, talking about
ORM is pretty motivating. But I feel we should talk
about general ORM as well as products reviews. Anyway, I
am very passionate to do what I can with this site. Go
ahead…
I think it's great idea. It would be great to be able to
read about OR stuff in one place. I may even contribute.
I'd love to see some kind of central ORM community site.
Last year, I went through the laborious process of
actually evaluating ORM tools for work - by the time I
finished, I had considered well over 100 different .NET
ORM products; more than 60 of them were downloaded; more
than 30 had code written to try them out. Phew!
A community based site with reviews would have saved me
a LOT of time.
Moreover, I can think of few things I might just write
about. A decade ago I worked with a proprietary
(in-house) ORM that was, simply, superb. I haven't seen
it's match yet. It'd be fun to write up some of it's
innovations and see what people think in the modern
context.
Keep Smiling!
I am 100% behind you. I've been wanting to write about
NHibernate again, so I'd be happy to cross-post some
info from my blog.
Yes! We're currently reviewing one of our applications
that needs a major rewrite. It uses a proprietary db
format and one thing we're considering is an OODB. An OR
site would definately help.
Just do it ;-)
No really, I would be happy to write an article about
our new NHibernate Templates for GenWise Studio that are
in an informative way, kinda like the product tutorials
on the codeproject.
Besides that...ORM seems to be in-vogue these days,
there almost more .net ORM frameworks than there are
.net programmers ;-) Although there only a few that make
the more experienced developers happy. Reviews written
by people that know what they are talking about are most
welcome to let people know that 90% of the ORM
frameworks are just not mature enough...but that's my
humble opinion ;-)
I'm a .NET developer interested in ORM, but I think the
area is on it's way out thanks to Redmond- and hopefully
sooner than later. LINQ, DLINQ, and DSLs will do a good
bit towards that end. Granted it could all be another
ObjectSpaces, but I really don't see us writing alot of
database-to-classes code in VS.next.
So, not really saying 'no'- I'd like to see the site.
But I'd also like to see it not needed in the future. =)
I'd love to see such a site. We are just beginning a
major new initiative for which we have chosen
nHibernate. A single place for ORMapping info in general
would be a godsend. I'd be happy to writeup anything we
learn on effectively using nHibernate.
Jay Vashi
jay.vashi AT mustangeng.com
Daniel: Interesting point.
I'll make it clearer: The site will focus both on the
theoretical aspects of what it means to use or create an
OR Mapper, and also on product reviews of mappers from
any technology (.NET or Java are my main thoughts right
now).
Also, Just because MS will have some form of an ORM
integrated some day in its tools does not mean that you
woudn't wont to know about 3rd party replacements which
may be much better, or how to effectively deal with that
ORM framework, or just hear the latest news about that
framework from one particular main portal...
I can also think of various adaptations of that MS ORM
framework with better features, built on existing
features. woudn't you want to knwo about them as well?
Roy.
You're probably right, Roy. Articles about MS-ORM-INQ
(whatever they end up calling it =) would be useful, as
would info on the various possible 3rd party extensions,
etc.
I may be idealistic here, but I guess I just see the day
coming where developers care less their objects are
stored, in the same way we care less about how they're
transmitted over a wire, thanks to Web Services and WCF.
But maybe that's a post for your new site =)